Historical Commission Member Attendees: (5– Quorum)

• Lorraine Tindaro, Vice-Chair
• Mark Evans, Secretary
• Dawn Coughlan
• Paul Stephens
• Tony Wagner

Historical Commission Member Absent (3):

• Catherine Callahan, Chair  (Excused)
• Patty DeFroscia (Excused)
• Leah Jennings (Excused)

 
Historical Commission Guests (4):

• Paul Mullin
• Mike Bedrick
• Licia Carini
• Tony DiSario

 
OPENING:
The meeting was called to order by Vice-Chair Tindaro at 7:07PM, followed by the Pledge of Allegiance. Secretary Evans announced that the meeting was being recorded to expedite transcription of minutes.
Secretary Evans issued a short statement of apology for his out-of-character behavior at the November Meeting.  
Vice-Chair Tindaro continued with Members Roll Call, and Introduction of Guests.
 
Approval of 11/18/20 Minutes
DAWN C MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE 11/18/20 MEETING
SECOND BY LORRAINE T.
VOTE CALLED BY MARK E
MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY
Vice-Chair Tindaro then read a letter from Chair Cathy Callaghan, resigning the position of Chair of the Hx Com (attached) effective 12/14/2020, adding that she will remain a member of the Hx Com.
Lorraine T stated that moving forward we may want to determine how long our officers terms should be, if we should hold reorganizations each year, every 2 years, etc. 
Paul S commented that he was glad that Cathy C would be staying with us. Mark E recognized Cathy C for everything she has done. And stated that he has been in touch with Cathy and they are both excited for 2021. He added that Lorraine T would serve as Acting Chair of the Hx Com until a new Chair is selected at the Jan 2021 meeting.
Tony W asked if the Jan reorg would involve addressing the length of terms. Mark E clarified that the Jan reorg will only be to fill open seats, terms would be open for later discussion.
Paul M stated that with the Muni Board, the option for reorg is always on the January Agenda.
OLD BUSINESS:

1. EDGE’S MILL HISTORIC DISTRICT
   1. Lorraine T asked if there were any updates. Mark E replied that as reflected in the 11/20 minutes, we were all reviewing the 10/21/20 revised RGA proposal, and were supposed to discuss and vote whether or not to recommend to the BOC.
      1. Dawn said that we had clarified that it was not a conflict of interest for homeowners within the district to vote on the recommendation. She added that she was the only homeowner present at the meeting, and there would be a majority even without her.
      2. Tony W stated that his questions had been answered by Cathy C and Mark E prior to the meeting, and had all the information he needed to make a decision 
      3. Lorraine asked if since we would be voting on a new chair in January, we should table the vote for then, or are we ready now?
      4. Tony W asked how that would affect the vote, unless the future chair was not present at this meeting. As he understood it, the most recent initiative like this was Carver Court. Mark E confirmed. Lorraine T responded that it would not, and that she was ready to move forward with a vote
      5. Mark E stated that he was aware of potentially inappropriate communications between RGA and others that could raise concerns. And that as a formal Township Commission, if we went ahead with a recommendation to the BOC without investigating this, it would not look good for anyone. He stated the importance that all communications be in writing, for transparency, so that there could be no question of our process. He said that he had received an email where RGA states something different than what was written in their revised proposal. He quoted from a Bob Wise email dated 10/14/20 “I had a nice talk with Elizabeth Rairligh of PA SHPO a few weeks back. Just as I guessed, while they think it's a good candidate for the DOE, with a concentration on NRHP Criterion C, they cannot promise anything until they see the completed survey form. So we are really back to square one. Here's what [was] discussed earlier this week: I would revise the proposal with the new rates, then I would use my "professional judgement" but with no guarantees or "not to exceeds". He then quoted from the 10/21 proposal “Based on my conversation with Ms. Rairligh, I am fully confident we will obtain the DOE”. Mark added that if we recommend the RGA proposal to the BOC and it were approved, and if this information were to come out at a later date, everyone would be in trouble, and he did want to see that happen. He was committed to getting the Edge’s Mill National Registry passed, but that the Hx Com has accomplished too much to risk our credibility.

 

1. Tony W asked to confirm that the language in the 2 docs was conflicting. Mark E confirmed it was.
2. Paul S said that it was possible that in Bob’s conversation with Ms. Rairligh, they may have been more positive about the chances then he expressed in his email, but there was a difference in the language, and he was disappointed that there had been behind the scenes communication, because as a Commission we’re responsible for our actions.
3. Tony W asked which was the most recent communication, Mark responded that it was the revised proposal
4.  Lorraine T asked if we could discuss it now, and get a letter from RGA regarding this and vote on it in January. Mark E thought it would be better to have RGA at our next meeting. Tony W and Lorraine felt we needed to get clarity before moving forward. ​
5. Dawn agreed that it was a good idea to ask RGA to attend a meeting considering the circumstances. She added that we’ve been working on this for months, and this needs to be addressed before moving forward.

 
Mark E asked for a motion to table the vote and request for Bob Wise to attend the 1/20/21 meeting to address concerns.
 
MOVED BY PAUL S
SECOND BY TONY W
VOTE CALLED BY MARK E
MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY

1. SUB COMMITTEE REPORTS
   1. SPACKMAN FARM – Paul S
      1. Paul stated that he had received a response from the representative for the party center requesting more details. Photos and a google map view had been sent along, and he would follow up with them. 
      2. Paul S asked if we had found out anything about obtaining an insurance rider for a one day visit by Valley Forge. Mark E stated that he had reached out to Kristen, but with all that’s going on did not expect to hear back right away – budget season, Covid, etc. Hopes to have an answer in January
      3. Mark E gave an update on the barn roof, that there were issues with the galvanized coating for the roof panels – what we asked for in specs is no longer being made, what they do make now is better but doesn’t match the specs. Bryan K is working with the contractor towards getting this resolved, and should only be a week or 2
         1. Paul S asked if we had a tentative start date. Mark E said we won’t until this is resolved, hopefully mid-late January

 

1. MARKETING AND SOCIAL MEDIA

1. Tony W reported that he had sent around his update to everyone. That there had been progress on the website. There was consensus that it looks great.
2. Working towards getting local press to write something about our progress.
3. Tweaking Spackman Farm write up. Dawn C said that there was a big error in the piece, that it was “Strawberry Pie”. Much laughter ensued.
4. Mark E asked if anyone was aware if the Zinns referred to in Maryanne Griffith’s letter to OCHS were the same ones who had the diner.
   1. Tony D said that he had worked at Zinn’s, and that there were 2 of them – one had the diner and the golf course, the other one was a builder. He had always assumed it was their land.
5. Tony W and Mark said that they would work together to edit the Spackman Farm story down to a manageable size.

Tony D said that he had been late and asked what we had just voted on when he joined the meeting. Mark E said that we were supposed to vote on the Edge’s Mill proposal, but some concerns had come to light so we decided against voting until our questions had been answered by the contractor.

1. HISTORICAL PRESERVATION
   1. Mark E noted that the 2 sub-com members were not present, but that Cathy had sent the beginning of their Wish List to all
   2. Dawn C commented that in the docs sent around by Cathy C there was a page about the Hx Preservation Overlay District, and recalled there had been concerns expressed about what would happen to it during the Zoning Update. Were there any updates from the Zoning Taskforce meeting?
      1. Mark replied that it was discussed at the Dec meeting and that Ray Ott confirmed that any protections under the Overlay will be incorporated into the zoning. Mike B confirmed.
   3. Dawn noted the Hx Preservation Wish List started by Cathy and Leah, and that she liked the proposed changes. Mark agreed
      1. Mike B asked if there would be feedback from the public when the Taskforce has completed their proposed changes, and if we could ask to be allowed to give formal feedback. Mark E  confirmed that there will be public meetings to discuss, and that his intention was for the Hx Com to present a recommended package to the Zoning Taskforce, Paul S concurred. Mark added that one of the reasons he had pushed for the Zoning Update was to get stronger preservation laws.
      2. Paul S said that surveying the Hx properties in the community should be a focus for Caln. That the OCHS has done this but are more focused on pre-1900, and there’s been a lot of history since. Isolating what has meaning to the community, that isn’t already thought of as historic, may need that type of consideration. “You can’t save things if you don’t know what they are”. Dawn C agreed. Paul said it will ultimately cost some money, to bring in somebody with expertise on more recent community history and architecture since 1900. Mark asked when the last survey, if any, had been completed. Paul S and Mike B said that it was whenever the map was done, and that it wasn’t that detailed. Historical integrity plays an important part. He used the Elementary School as an example. Just because it may have lost the integrity to be a national property doesn’t mean it can’t be a local property. Mark added that he really would like to have the ability to designate locally “this is a Caln Township Historical Property”. Paul S said that could be a great tool, people get excited about those sort of designations, and it doesn’t cost much to do – design a plaque, even just a board that’s painted.
      3. Mark E encouraged everyone to think top down over the holiday break about what we want in the ordinance. That having a local authority is the foundation, and could make developers think twice before going after something because it could bring unwanted negative attention to them.

 

1. BAKER-SMITH PROPERTY
   1. Dawn asked if there was any movement on this since our last meeting. Mark said he hadn’t heard anything. Paul M noted that he hadn’t heard anything either, other than the owner wanted to donate the land to the Township if over the next 2 years it would be dedicated as a Park in his friends name. Could be difficult to accomplish in that time period. Mike B mentioned that Kristen D had said it would be a negotiation as to what the current owner would accept as a park, if it could be done in phases over time. Mark E suggested that we dedicate it with a sign and then go after grant money, not every park needs parking, driveways, etc. All you need is a walking path and a couple of park benches. Dawn C said you can get benches donated. Tony W said it was in a perfect location adjacent to a large townhome community. Mark asked if we should draft a recommendation to the BOC. Tony asked if it was in our prevue. Paul S replied yes because of the springhouse. Mark E thought that might give the Township more leverage. Mike B asked how extensive would the recommendation be that it might be accepted. Paul S noted that the donation comes with expectations from the Township, it was okay for us to advise as to the springhouse, and make recommendations - if the expectations are not too grand, it could be doable. Mike B suggested that there be a plaque at the entrance by the springhouse that gives the history of the property and former house. Paul S said that we could do the deed research on the property, try to find some photos of the house – must be something since it was a funeral home. Mike B said the OCHS had something on it. It’s a way of providing a park to an area that doesn’t have access to have a park. Paul S said we could recommend that the Township explore obtaining it, but that’s as far as we can go. Mark offered to pull something together for the next meeting, reach out to Cathy to see what info she has. Paul S reiterated that you have to know what it is before you can plan on doing anything with it.
   2. Tony DiSario added that before it was a funeral home The Lackeys lived there, and the Fulnickeys (sp?). It had a barn that was torn down too. The house was all stone, 2-3 stories. Believes it still has a long driveway that could be used for access. The land was going to be used for The Goddard School, but they bailed out in the 1990s.  

 
NEW BUSINESS:
 

1. HISTORIC SIGNAGE
   1. Dawn C congratulated Paul S on his appointment to the Chester County Preservation Network. She said she’s seen a lot of Historic Signs out there that are not from the National Registry and wondered if Karen Marshall has any information, if other Townships that may have taken this initiative, what their format might be, if they have photos, etc. Paul S said he could do that, and that we could do a local version of the National Register criteria. “Historic Caln Township, Where it All Began”. Mark E wondered if Denron Signs does this kind of work, and if it’s something they might donate.

Mark stated that it had been a wonderful year for the Hx Com, ups and downs but that we had probably accomplished more than any of us had anticipated, and we did it during Covid, that everyone should be proud of the commitment they had made.  
Mark asked if there was any other business. There was none.
 
Mark E asked for a motion to adjourn.
Moved by Lorraine T, second by Dawn C
Mark E called the vote.
Motion passed 5-0.
 
Meeting adjourned at 8:15 PM.
 

​Historical Commission Member Attendees: (5– Quorum)

• Catherine Callahan, Chair
• Lorraine Tindaro, Vice-Chair
• Mark Evans, Secretary
• Dawn Coughlan
• Tony Wagner

Historical Commission Member Absent (3):

• Patty DeFroscia (Excused)
• Leah Jennings (Excused)
• Paul Stephens (Excused)

Historical Commission Guests (4):

• Paul Mullin
• Mike Bedrick
• Peter Callahan
• Licia Carini

 
OPENING:
The meeting was called to order by Chair Callahan at 7:09PM, followed by the Pledge of Allegiance. Secretary Evans announced that the meeting was being recorded to expedite transcription of minutes.
 
Chair Callahan continued with Members Roll Call, and Introduction of Guests.
 
Approval of 9/16/20 Minutes
TONY W MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE 9/16/20 MEETING
SECOND BY DAWN C.
VOTE CALLED BY MARK E
MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY
OLD BUSINESS:

1. EDGE’S MILL HISTORIC DISTRICT
   1. Cathy C stated that 320 Hx properties and 27 Districts in Chester County are on the National Register, 88 in the northern area, and if approved, Edge’s Mill would be the oldest district, and the houses in it would be the third oldest (after the Bull House and the Log House). [Cathy’s Zoom kept freezing due to a bad connection]. She asked if we were any closer to making a decision about approaching the BOC re Edge’s Mill.
      1. Dawn said she was concerned about whether the 3 Hx Com members who are home owners might have to recuse themselves on the vote, since they all have a vested interest
      2. Cathy said that our responsibility as an Hx Com was to put it before the BOC
      3. There was discussion as to whether there were legal issues regarding recusing,
      4. Lorraine T stated that as long as the residents who live there disclose that they live in the District, then it’s open disclosure. It all benefits Caln in the end
      5. Tony W stated that he was in favor of moving things forward, but could not comment on legalities

Tony W proposed that we make it an action item for the next meeting to review the proposal, determine whether or not anyone needs to abstain, and then take a vote.  
 
MOVED BY MARK W
SECOND BY DAWN C
Discussion of recusal and benefits to homeowners ensued. Guest Paul M stated that he thought that if you’re going to benefit from the vote, you may have to recuse.
VOTE CALLED BY MARK E
MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY

1. SUB COMMITTEE REPORTS
   1. SPACKMAN FARM
      1. Mark E announced that at their last meeting, the BOC approved the expenditure of $134,000 (more than expected) for the Barn Roof Replacement. 2-year financing, payments to be made out of funds received from the farmer who rents the land
         1. Dawn C stated that she had spoken with Paul S and he was planning to be at the meeting. He wanted to convey that he did get in touch with the group that manages the house at Valley Forge, and sent some photos at their request. If he does not hear back from them he will follow up to find out from them if they think this is a viable project
         2. Dawn said that she is very grateful to the BOC for approving the spending, even at 50% more, and given some residents’ concerns
         3. Mark recognized the Hx Com for their foresight in requesting that the farmer’s funds be used for the farm, which laid the groundwork for the financing. Otherwise, with Covid tax losses, we could not have replaced the roof. And thanked Kristen Denne for coming up with the terms of the financing
      2. Mark E added that he had reached out to Kristen re obtaining short-term insurance for a Farm Tour, but with all that’s going on did not expect to hear back right away – budget season, Covid, etc. Hopes to have an answer in January

 

1. MARKETING AND SOCIAL MEDIA

1. Tony W reported that he had done some website updates, added new photos, and worked with Abbey to try to highlight some of the other historic properties that she has images of
2. Abbey put up a rotating image on Hx Com page, Tony is going to work with her to reformat so it isn’t so large
3. There are images of another 5 or 6 properties in Caln that have some history to them
4. Tony followed up on September Action Item (from minutes) with Abbey about getting articles in Daily Local News and Community Courier to see if she’d made any headway with the contacts he’d given her
5. Tony is interested in getting feedback from the Hx Com about doing a Profile of one of our Hx properties every quarter, with a small blurb in the newsletter to try to highlight the property and bring some awareness to the general public about the history of Caln. Asked for suggestions from members on what to profile
   1. Mark E suggested Spackman Farm and the Baker-Smith that had been offered to the Township to be a park, and read Cathy’s email about it to the Hx Com. Mark suggested that by bringing a spotlight to it could attract some $ to support a park. He also added that Lloyd Farm should be featured at some time
   2. Cathy suggested Edge’s Mill, that the owner is working so hard on it
   3. Dawn suggested that Spackman be the first one featured
   4. There was consensus that Spackman Farm should be the first featured historic property
   5. Dawn suggested that the Edge’s Mill District be next in queue, especially with a possible BOC looming
   6. Mark said that he’d draft a blurb on Spackman Farm for Tony

 

1. Tony and Abbey are working on getting an article about the Schoolhouse improvements in the DLN and Community Courier.

 
 

1. HISTORICAL PRESERVATION
   1. FLEX PROPERTY
      1. Mark reported that the Flex Property is for sale, and that the Conditional Use remains in place – meaning whatever the Hx Com hammered out is still required
   2. SIGNAGE at AUGER FABRICATIONS
      1. Dawn stated after Cathy C spoke to the owners, they planted Kale and Boxwood around it, and that the lighting appears to now be somewhat
      2. Cathy said he seems to want to work with the Hx Com, and that Ray S had also been happy with his interactions with him
      3. Dawn said she was concerned about the neighbor who had been doing a lot of work and may want to move back into the house
      4. Mark E recognized Cathy for her work on this
   3. HX PRES ORDINANANCE
      1. Cathy said she and Leah were working on things, and brought up Mary Sue Boyle who writes ordinances, but she is too expensive so they’ve been pulling together other township’s ordinances to try to pull something together as a model.
      2. Said that the New Garden ordinance was pretty good and added that ours isn’t bad but needs to be tweaked.
      3. Asked if she should distribute their suggestions to the Hx Com. Mark E said yes, that since the Zoning Update Taskforce will actually be putting the ordinance together, we should dream big with our requests.  
2. BUDGET
   1. Cathy asked where we were with the Budget. Mark E stated that the BOC would be discussing the budget the following night, and believed the requested amount was $1K, but may have only been $500
   2. Tony W asked if the budget included the $1-$3K items we were asked to suggest. Mark E replied that no, that we would continue to ask that higher dollar items be paid for by the Township, and the list was compiled so the Township would have a ballpark idea of what to put aside should it be needed

 
NEW BUSINESS:
 

1. ZONING TASKFORCE RECOMMENDATIONS
   1. Cathy C brought up that the Zoning Taskforce wants to get rid of overlays, and that scared her to death because they worked very hard to get the Hx Overlay through. Mark said that the purpose was not to get rid over the zoning changes and protections provided by overlays, it was to incorporate them into the actual Township Zoning, that Overlays are exceptions to the zoning, and when there are a number of them, the actual zoning gets confusing. “It’s taking what was an ‘overlay’ and codifying it into the actual zoning. The historical protections will carry over into the zoning. Cathy C added that the protections run from 322 all the way up Reeceville Road along Rt 30 and up. Mark reiterated that anything that is currently in the Historical Overlay would simply become “official”, a permanent part of the Zoning. Mark asked Lorraine if she could explain it better than he was able to. Lorraine stated that she believed Mark E had explained it pretty well – there will be no overlays, what is an overlay will become the standard. Cathy C asked what that means, that she’d been told by historians that you never want to lose an historical overlay once you have one. Mike B stated that it was his understanding that trying to establish policies that can apply anywhere in the township for an historic site, building, or district. Pete C asked why one choice as to the inclusion of the other? If there’s a steep slope preservation overlay district and a woodland preservation overlay district and a historical preservation overlay district, that were hard fought for 40 years ago, why would they be abandoned and how would they be replicated and protected by zoning that’s R-1, R-2, etc.? Pete C then asked how can he get to the Zoning Update Meetings, how does he listen in? Mark E said he believed they’re open to the public and it should be on the Township Website and Dec 1 was the next one. Pete said he believed it was worth exploring how overlay districts would be replicated and protected by zoning if the overlay is abandoned, forfeited, or not protected. Expanding it to other properties not in the geographical foot print makes a ton of sense. Mark E said that he believed we were all on the same page, that we want the protections in place, and his understanding is that they will be. Lorraine T again said that she agreed that no one loses any protections. Cathy C brought up the loss of Lloyd Farm due to it not being in the Historic Overlay District. Mark E said that’s why we’re going for an ordinance with teeth that will allow us to designate what is historic and what isn’t, that the Hx Com would not give up one inch of ground  

Mark asked if there was any other business. There was none.
 
Mark E asked for a motion to adjourn.
Moved by Tony W, second by Lorraine T
Mark E called the vote.
Motion passed 5-0.
 
Meeting adjourned at 8:25 PM.
 

​Historical Commission Member Attendees: (6– Quorum)

• Catherine Callahan, Chair
• Lorraine Tindaro, Vice-Chair
• Mark Evans, Secretary
• Dawn Coughlan
• Paul Stephens
• Leah Jennings

Historical Commission Member Absent (2):

• Patty DeFroscia (Excused)
• Tony Wagner (Excused)

Historical Commission Guests (4):

• Karen Marshall
• Bob Wise
• Paul Mullin
• Mike Bedrick

 
OPENING:
Due an issue with the Zoom Login, the meeting was called to order late, by Secretary Evans at 7:48PM, followed by the Pledge of Allegiance. Mark E announced that the meeting was being recorded to expedite transcription of minutes, and continued with Members Roll Call, and Introduction of Guests.
 
Approval of 7/15/20 Minutes
Mark E asked for a motion for approval of the minutes of the 7/15/20 Meeting.
Motion moved by Cathy C, second by Paul Stephens.
Vote called by Mark E.
Motion passed unanimously.
 
OLD BUSINESS:

1. EDGE’S MILL HISTORIC DISTRICT PRESENTATION 
   1. Mark E turned the meeting over to Karen Marshall of CCHC, and Bob Wise of RGA.

Karen asked if all had a chance to review documentation she had sent on history of project, and the determination by PHMC that while they were very impressed with the six resources, they should all be included as one. Which brought us to the RGA proposal. Bob stated that they are under contract with Bondsville, and currently working on that project. Karen reviewed the idea of the “bookend” projects of Bondsville on the north and Edge’s Mill to the southeast. She asked if there were any questions of all the info she had sent us. Paul S was impressed with all of the documentation, and that he’d like to eventually look into all of the other properties that were left out by the PHMC. Karen said it was a shame the were being left out, and that we could possibly fill in the middle with a local district (and we can talk about that later), that the matter at hand is whether the Caln Township Historical Commission would like to move forward and recommend the Caln BOC consider this project.
 
Paul S said that he had the same question that he had before, that he wanted to confirm that this is not the actual National Register nomination that will be submitted, this is only for the DOE. He understood that any extra costs will be determined on the comments coming back from the State Historic Preservation Office, but asked if there was some kind of idea what those costs might run? He felt the overall quoted fee for the DOE is very reasonable, but can we get an idea of where this might end up overall - if they think this is true of what it might be, or if there’s more in the way of costs that the Township might incur. Bob Wise stated that since the proposal went out in January, their rates had gone up, so the quote would already be raised to $6170 as opposed to $5995. Karen M asked if the DOE is less fraught with drama then the National Registry nomination. Bob replied yes. He said this particular DOE has already been through the PHMC, so they hope it will be smoother than most. There are two things: 1. They could come back and ask for a little more information. 2. They could come back and say “on second thought, we no longer think it’s eligible”. He said he wouldn’t be proposing the project if he didn’t think they could get it through, but added that they can always come back and ask for more information, and RGA has no control over that. They know what they’re doing and hope there would be no more costs. Anything requested above-and-beyond what the PHC requested for Beaver Creek would be above and beyond what they’re budgeted for, that they don’t expect that to happen, and that it shouldn’t happen. Paul S asked for confirmation that any additional costs will be at hourly rate. Bob S said that it should be only time and materials, but it could be more extensive, at which time he would go back to PHC be to ask that if they think it’s eligible, that those particulars be held out and addressed at the National Registry nomination, and that is usually what happens: the PHMC gives the DOE, and in the National Registry process, it is asked to be proven. Paul S asked if next step is taking the DOE application and put it into the National Registry nomination. Bob said yes, but that the DOE introduces the subject, the State comes back and says they agree, with the caveat that for National Registry consideration you will need to add “the following specifics”.
 
Bob clarified that their cost proposal was only for the State DOE, and that preparing the National Registry nomination would incur more costs.
 
Cathy said that she’s been told a number of times that it’s already a done deal. Karen said they’ve been assured that “if this is written correctly that it will go right through from eligible to nomination”. Bob said he’s never seen it happen that way before, that he budgeted for a DOE only.
 
Karen asked if we can request a pre-project meeting with PHC so that Bob can hear what she and Cathy have been told by them about the odds of the project going through. She doesn’t want him to move forward with the project until he’s heard what they’ve already said.     
 
Paul S said that we need the DOE either way, and there may be more expenses for the National Registry, but that this appeared to be reasonable, is the next step, and thought we should have a motion to recommend this.
 
Mark E thanked Bob for his transparency, given that that we had been under the belief that it was “pay the money and go straight to registry”. He understands budgets, and that there’s always additional costs, but wanted to know the worst-best-probable projections for step one (DOE)? He added that the Hx Com would be going before a BOC to ask for funds from a Township that’s already given close to $100K to the Hx Com during a pandemic [*after reviewing the minutes, Hx Com President Cathy Callahan asked that there be clarification that the money was not given directly to the Hx Com, but towards projects that the Hx Com recommended]. Bob’s response was the same as he’d given earlier. Paul S asked what range he’s seen with similar projects. Bob said it could be double to 4 or 5 times more. Karen again said that she wanted Bob to hear what PHC has said, and that “he request a meeting with them at the request of the Hx Com, he’s been contracted to develop the DOE and they would like to know based on conversations they’ve had with one of the Hx Com members and Karen Marshall, what exactly are they talking about in terms of additional costs of moving to an actual National Registry nomination. If he gets blank stares, then we’ve got out answer”.
 
Paul S said that it’s important to have something actionable, because if personnel changes up there, it over.
 
Bob said he’s never done anything like that before. Cathy asked about how our Mill compares to Bondsville Mill, and if that can go through, shouldn’t ours? Bob said he’ll see what they have to say.
 
Cathy asked if additional costs can be covered by homeowners. Karen said the Hx Com could always go public/private partnership. Mark E jumped in to say yes, there should be a pre-meeting. He stated that Bondsville is municipally owned, Edge’s Mill are privately owned homes. Caln is having serious issues with flooding, going before the BOC in public, with people who have just had to have their basements pumped, and saying we need minimum $6k, and possibly a blank check to get 6 privately owned homes “maybe onto the National Registry” will not go over well. It needs to be pitched properly, well thought-out and well planned going in there. Paul S suggested that having Bob try to get a handle on what the odds are from the state is the best way to go. We need to have a fair sense of what we’re asking the Township to commit to. Karen suggested Bob reach out to Cory. Karen reiterated that Bob had said that we don’t need to be on the National Registry to reap many of the benefits. That we’ll be on the County Map, etc.  
 
Mike B reacted to Mark’s recommendation for how to pitch it to the BOC, bullet points, etc. What are the benefits to the Township if we spend this money? Someone will say why are we doing this during Covid? This is an asset that could be jeopardized if not preserved, because it can be added to a list of Historic Tours that will make us a historic destination that will generate income for our businesses and tax revenue for the Township.  
 
Cathy stated that after meeting with Kristen Denne, she knows the money is there for this; that the Township has never spent any money on the Hx Com; and why wouldn’t anyone want national recognition. Mike B concurred with Mark E that getting it through the BOC could be a challenge, especially during Covid-19, and that Marketing was the key. Karen M likes the idea of Lincoln Highway as a “Gateway” to History, thinks that “little Beaver Creek could become the mouse that roared”, and with the beautiful preservation being done right up the road at Bondsville Mill, we do have “The Gateway”. She really likes the idea of selling Caln’s “points of pride”: the schoolhouse & the barn are “Beacons of Pride”. It was suggested that Bob Wise connect with Elizabeth Rawley and Cory Kingeress, to look more deeply into the odds of Edge’s Mill getting the DOE, and what that timeline might look like. Karen M stated that Bob will know right away, especially if Cory starts talking about further research.
Paul S asked for a motion to have Bob Wise contact the State Historic Preservation Office, to try to ascertain what effort it will take, beyond the DOE, to get this project nominated to the National Register, and that he come back to us with an approximation of what those additional expenses may be, if identifiable through his initial conversation.
 
There was discussion as to whether Hx Com members who own properties in the proposed Historic District need to recuse themselves on the vote. All agreed that they should recuse. Being that we still had a quorum, the motion proceeded.
 
Motion by Mark E. 2nd by Lorraine T.
Mark E called the vote.
Motion passed unanimously
 
Bob Wise said that he would email Cathy C with any progress. Mark E asked that he be cc’d on any documentation as he is the secretary. Bob said that he would. At this point, Karen and Bob left the meeting. Mark E thanked everyone for their patience and determination. Paul M mentioned that he loved the “Beacons of Pride” idea. Dawn loved “The Gateway”.


2. MEMBERSHIP AND ATTENDENCE
Mark E stated that while he had hoped to announce that Mike Bedrick was being added to our membership, unfortunately the Township Handbook forbids any relative of a Commissioner to be appointed as a “member” of a Commission, or to be hired by the Township. They can, however participate in our discussions and be involved with Sub-Committees. He said that Mike has brought valuable insight as a guest, and we hope he will continue to do so. Mike said that he understood, policy is policy, and must be respected. He will gladly continue to serve.


3. SUB COMMITTEE REPORTS

1. SPACKMAN FARM
   1. Mark E noted that Kristen Denne has approved the Hx Com tour of Spackman Farm, that it is restricted to Commission members due to insurance reasons, and must be on a weekday when Mike Fragale is working.  Potential dates: 8/26 all day, 8/28 until 1:30, 8/31 all day, 9/2 all day. All agreed that Friday the 28th from 10:00 AM-noon would work best.
   2. Paul S mentioned that Karen Marshall was not able to do the tour, but that a woman from her Technical Sub-Committee might be able to, that it was the sort of thing the SC does. He will follow up, and see if she is covered under County Liability Insurance as a committee member. Cathy C stated that Spackman should be on the National Registry.
   3. Mark E asked if anyone had spent time with the Kings Highway Masterplan, and suggested that we all get close to it so that once the roof is on the barn we can just keep moving forward.
   4. Dawn C announced there is a new roof on the Schoolhouse, all but the Cupola has been completed, that the Township will finish the work on the Cupola as per Paul S’s recommendations. Leah J expressed concern that the Cupola is sitting on the ground unprotected from thieves, that it could be stolen in a second. Mark said he will follow up with Mike Fragale.
   5. Mark encouraged everyone to take a second to acknowledge all that we’ve been able to accomplish since January, even during Covid. Schoolhouse Roof, Paint, Interior… we should be excited that we’re doing things.
2. MARKETING AND SOCIAL MEDIA Tony W was unable to access the meeting, so there was no formal report. Mark E asked that the 4 sub-committee members have a conversation prior to the next full Com meeting to consider some of what Karen Marshall and Mike B had brought, including “The Gateway to History”, “Beacons of Pride”, “Historic Caln Township”, rather than having people wondering “what’s Caln Township?” It was agreed this would happen. Mark encouraged everyone to check out the Caln Website to see some of the great progress that’s been made by Tony working with Abby.
3. HISTORICAL PRESERVATION  Cathy reported that she and Leah had spent about 5 hours working on this. Very excited. Cathy attended a luncheon pre-Covid where Karen M had suggested we look at New Garden Township and East Brandywine resources, which they did, and are coming up with a million different ideas to make Caln wonderful. They’ve been considering the language for an ordinance, relying on East Brandywine and New Garden’s current Ordinances. She stated that in 2019 the Hx Com had a freelancer attend a meeting to propose writing an ordinance, but it was very expensive. Mark added that the Ordinance will be written as part of the current Zoning Update Process, that it will be hardwired right in. 

4. CHESTER COUNTY HISTORIC PRESERVATION NETWORK UPDATE ​ Mark E announced that contrary to what we thought, we are not currently members, and that it was probably a missed detail due to Covid. He said that Karen M has everyone’s contact information, and we should be good to go for the fall.
 
5. 2021 BUDGET DISCUSSION

1. Mark E stated that we had until the end of August to get our Budget request in to the Township, and asked for suggestions from the group.
2. Cathy and Leah would like to have money for Hx home signs, but that she’s been told it is the Society’s responsibility.
3. Paul S thought we should have funds for Hx Com to join Statewide Preservation group and have one or two members have annual conference fee paid. Will pull together info and send it to Mark E.
4. Mark thinks we’re best with going for a small number to cover memberships.
5. Mike B recommended not formalizing repair costs in Budget so there’s no turf battles.

 
NEW BUSINESS:

1. Paul S announced that he was being nominated to be on the Chester County Preservation Network Board. Everyone was thrilled, expressed their support, and that we are honored to work with him. Paul responded that he’s honored to serve with serve with folks who were interested in local resources and histories, and that if appointed, he will be the official liaison for Caln, Coatesville, East Fallowfield, Valley,  Sadsbury and West Caln.  
   
2. Paul S asked if there was an update of when the roof project may be starting. Mark apologized for not including that in the Spackman Farm Sub Com report. The BOC approved for Bryan K to book advertisements for bids and that they will be in the DLN on 8/24 and 8/31 (?) and that the bid should be awarded by the BOC meeting 9/24, knock on wood. He added that the bids were already on the State platform.

Mark E again asked that everyone take in all that we’re getting done, that things are happening. Paul S added that major, major things are happening. Mark said we’re accomplishing a lot because we’re the coolest bunch around, again asked if there was any additional business. As there was none:
 
Mark E asked for a motion to adjourn.
Moved by Paul S, second by Leah J
Mark E called the vote.
Motion passed 6-0.
 
Meeting adjourned at 9:08 PM.
 
 

​​Caln Historical Commission Meeting Minutes
Via Zoom, Wed June 17th, 2020 (7:00-8:00 PM)
 
Historical Commission Member Attendees: (4 – Quorum)

• Lorraine Tindaro, Vice-Chair
• Mark Evans, Secretary
• Dawn Coughlan
• Tony Wagner

Historical Commission Member Absent (4):

• Catherine Callahan, Chair (Excused)
• Paul Stephens (Excused)
• Leah Jennings (Excused)
• Patty DeFroscia (Excused) Historical Commission Guests (4):
• Paul Mullin
• Mike Bedrick
• Licia Carini
• Tony Disario

 
OPENING: Mark E stated that Chair Cathy C had been called out of town unexpectedly and had asked that he fill in as chair for the evening. The meeting was then called to order by Acting Chair Mark Evans at 7:05PM, followed by the Pledge of Allegiance. Mark E then announced that the meeting was being recorded to expedite transcription of minutes, and continued with Members Roll Call, and Introduction of Guests.
 
Approval of 5/20/20 MinutesMark E asked for a motion for approval of the minutes of the 5/20/20 Meeting. Motion moved by Lorraine Tindaro, second by Dawn Coughlan.
Tony W asked if there had been any more responses to 30-60-90 day priorities since last meeting, Mark E answered there were not. Tony W asked if the roof work will impede the ability to conduct Schoolhouse Tours, which are already on hold due to Covid-19. It was stated that the repairs “should” be no more than a one day job, and that once the contractor is notified of the awarded bid, work should begin soon after, so there should be no disruption of tours once reopened to the public. Tony W clarified that what he meant was “are there any conditions (other than Covid-19) that could prove dangerous to the public being in the Schoolhouse. Dawn C confirmed that the current condition of the roof does not present any danger to the public. Vote called by Mark E.
Motion passed 4-0
 
 
Approval of 2/26/20 MinutesMark E stated that at the 5/20 meeting the Commission had failed to approve the 2/26 minutes.
Mark E for a motion for approval of the minutes of the 2/26/20 Meeting. Motion moved by Lorraine T, seconded by Tony W.
Vote called by Mark E.
 
Motion passed 4-0
 
 
OLD BUSINESS:

1. MEMBERSHIP AND ATTENDANCE
   1. Mark E stated that one of our prospective new members had put her application on hold after reading disparaging commentary regarding the Caln Historical Commission, Board of Commissioners, and Township that was being posted on the Caln Watch Facebook Page. She is reconsidering whether or not she wants to get involved with any Township Commission, and will let us know what she decides.
   2. The BOC will attempt to interview Mike Bedrick before the July meeting of the Historical Commission.
   3. Mark E had questions about members still listed as active who do not attend meetings. Dawn C replied that Patty DeFroscia is the wife of a former long-time Commission Chair who had grown disillusioned with the Commission, but would probably be very interested in being part of the Commission based on the new energy and solid plans for progress; and added that she would be a great resource to the Historical Commission. Lorriane T. concurred, as did Mike B. Both Lorraine T. and Dawn C offered to reach out to her with hopes that she’ll rejoin us at the July meeting. Since Dawn is a close friend of Patty’s, she will make contact.​
2. SPACKMAN FARM UPDATE
   1. Mark E stated that the Township has agreed to have to Arro work with Paul Stephens on preparing a bid to replace the Barn Roof. They had attempted to have a Zoom meeting between all parties, but suffered a communication issue with the group email not reaching Mr. Stephens, resulting in a delay. Mr. Kulikowski does have Paul’s specs, and with these issues resolved, a meeting will be scheduled for next week. Mark E asked for a Motion to request that Township prepare cost estimates for:
      1. The Purchase and Installation of “Landscape Lighting” around the Spackman Farm House and Barn, to make it harder for vandals to get close without detection
      2. The running of a power line to the exterior of the Spackman house, and installation of an outdoor switchbox to provide power for the lighting
      3. The Purchase and Installation of security cameras around the Spackman Farm House and Barn​​
   2. Discussion followed. Guest Paul M was asked if making such a request would be reasonable. He believed so, especially since this could be a low-cost project. He questioned the stability of the house’s wiring to handle electric. Mark E responded that the intention was not to run power into the house, only to an outdoor switchbox. Paul M stated that he had been around the back of the house and it was obvious where the kids were partying, drinking beer, and throwing rocks from. Lighting could be a very beneficial deterrent. Mike B asked about security cameras. Paul M said there is one focused on a shed where supplies are kept. Dawn questioned if the use of solar powered lighting was off the table. Mark responded no, but at the 5/20 meeting Mr. Stephens had said that in most cases, solar power requires an electric back-up. The group decided to include solar options and security cameras to the motion to request a cost estimate.
   3. Mark E asked for an amended Motion to request that Township prepare cost estimates for:
      1. The Purchase and Installation of “Landscape Lighting” around the Spackman Farm House and Barn
      2. The running of a power line to the exterior of the Spackman house, and installation of an outdoor switchbox to provide power for the lighting
      3. A Solar Powered option for the lighting
      4. The Purchase and Installation of security cameras around the Spackman Farm House and Barn
         1. Motion moved by Lorraine T, seconded by Dawn C. Vote called by Mark E. Motion passed 4-0
   4. Mark E noted that at the 5/20 meeting Cathy C. said she would reach out to Township Manager Denne, who had offered to coordinate with Mr. Fragile to help Cathy “stage” the porch with furniture and plants so that the Farmhouse would appear to be “occupied”. Mark E asked if Cathy C had been successful in staging the porch. Paul M stated that it could be too dangerous for any resident to be on the porch. Dawn C concurred, and added that it did not appear as if anything had yet been staged. Mark E suggested they table this option for now. No vote needed, all members agreed to table the staging.
   5. Mark E reported that a formal request for the Farmer’s rent money to be re- directed for repairs and improvements at the House and Barn has been prepared and is ready to be sent to both the Finance Committee and the BOC.  
3. SCHOOLHOUSE UPDATE
   1. Mark E announced that at their 6/11/20 meeting, the BOC approved G.P. Martini’s bid of $4,750.00 to replace the schoolhouse roof. Although the Township doesn’t have a timeline on when work will begin, it should be very soon.
4. MEETING WITH THE OLD CALN HISTORICAL SOCIETY
   1. Dawn C reported that President Joan Ciarlone is not set up for Zoom Meetings. Lois Demchak and Old Caln are eager to meet with Paul Stephens and Mark E, but due to Covid-19 concerns, we should play it by ear. Lorraine T asked if it would be possible for Joan to dial in by phone. Dawn C responded that Joan has reception problems so that may be too difficult. Dawn C said that she is in touch with them once a week, and will continue to keep them assured that we’re ready when they are.
5. WEBSITE
   1. Tony W reported that he had gone back-and-forth with Abbey at the Township, and that we are not permitted to manage our own subpage. It is unfortunate, but we can work with it. He and Abbey got a couple of updates done: Changed the Meeting Time, added that Schoolhouse Tours are not being offered due to Covid. He was still waiting for Historical Site Listings to be added to the page, will follow up with Abbey, and also address the orphaned page. Other updates are still a little ways out.
6. 30-60-90-DAY PRIORITIES
   1. Mark E. asked that this topic be moved to later in the meeting. Consensus agreed. No vote necessary.

 
 
NEW BUSINESS:

1. Mark E proposed formation of 3 sub-committees: Spackman Farm, Historical Preservation, and Friends of Lloyd Farm Exploratory. Mike B suggested a Marketing Sub-Committee. Tony W expressed interest in serving on a Marketing subcommittee.
   1. Mark E asked for a motion to create 4 Sub-Committees:
      1. ​Spackman Farm Sub-Committee
      2. Historic Preservation District Sub-Committee
      3. Friends of Lloyd Farm Exploratory Sub-Committee
      4. Marketing Sub-Committee
   2. Motion Moved by Lorraine T, second by Dawn C.
   3. Tony W asked if a Commission with only 8 active members could fill 4 sub- committees. Dawn C inquired about the Historical Preservation District Sub- Committee. Mark E stated that the Township Zoning Update is about to be undertaken, and that the Historical Commission could have a hand in how it is changed, including getting the existing Historical District Overlay written into the actual zoning. Paul M suggested consolidating to 2 Sub-Committees. Tony W suggested prioritizing Sub-Committees to comply with 30-60-90 day plans. Mike B concurred. Mark E suggested 3 Sub-Committees by folding Spackman and Lloyd Farm into 1 Sub-Committee, and keeping the Historical Preservation District Sub-Committee and Marketing Sub-Committee as already discussed.
   4. Mike B suggested committees within sub-committees. Mark E suggested a poll be taken on preference. Tony W said he could go either way, and that since each Sub-Committee should have 3 people, and we have limited membership, we can form additional Sub-Committees as needed in order of priority. Dawn C stated that she likes Sub-Committees with specific achievable goals within manageable timeframes. She likes the idea of grassroots outreach. Offered to serve on the Spackman Farm Sub-Committee. She also suggested Paul Stephens (if he agrees) would be great for that Sub-Committee. Dawn C also suggested that with her passion, Cathy C could spearhead Historic Preservation District, and that Leah J could be great for that Sub-Committee as well. She thought Tony W would be perfect for a Promotional Sub-Committee, and that we have the venues to get the word out – FB, Instagram, etc. that could be used to attract outsiders to get involved. Licia C suggested workstream approach rather than Sub-Committees and agreed with Dawn C’s preference for actionable projects with timelines that show results. Lorraine T stated her interest in the Marketing end of things. Mark E commented that everyone’s comments were very helpful, and explained his reasoning for “formalizing” sub-committees - that if things aren’t in stone, they disappear. Mike B suggested that Sub-Committees can cross-pollinate over time.
   5. Mark E withdrew his earlier motion and asked for a motion to form 3 Sub-Committees:
      1. Spackman/Lloyd Farm
      2. Historic Preservation District
      3. Marketing
   6. Motion moved by Lorraine T, second by Tony W.
   7. Licia C asked to confirm that Sub-Committees can bring in outside resources to help build out their plans. Mark E confirmed, and stated that the group had grown from 4 to 8 active members in 6 months, and that if we continue to take action and accomplish things, we will continue to grow to fill those Sub- Committees. Paul M reminded us that we are allowed to have up to 15 members. Dawn C responded that this is in the Township Ordinance and that the Historical Commission should be operating by. Paul M recommended everyone download the Ordinance. Licia C encouraged everyone to recruit for membership.
   8. Vote called by Mark E. Vote passed 4-0
2. Impending Demolition of vacant house at Golf Course (not Buchanan House)
   1. Mark E noted that there is a grant available to demolish the structure, and thought it would be a good idea to check with The Old Caln Historical Society regarding any historical significance the house may have.
   2. Dawn C offered to ask The Old Caln Historical Society.
   3. Tony D mentioned that is was the old Zinn House, and didn’t think it was historically significant. Discussion followed about Zinn Diner and their wonderful Strawberry Pie.
3. Mark E asked the members if we should hold off on discussing 30-60-90 Day Priorities until he completes the spreadsheet. Lorraine T suggested that we table it. Consensus agreed. No vote necessary.

 
 
OTHER BUSINESS: 

1. Dawn C asked for confirmation that the Schoolhouse and Open Houses are completely on hold until all Covid restrictions have been lifted. Mark E confirmed. Dawn C stated that is was the same case at the Old Caln Meeting House, all tours and visits have been cancelled. Mark E shared Chester County’s up-to-date Covid numbers and hoped that things would improve so we can find our new normal. Dawn C shared that Covid is one of the reasons she really likes Tony W’s idea of starting to work the promotional aspects digitally. Mike B and Lorraine T reiterated importance of promoting safe social practices.
2. Mark E said that he would send out a list of the Sub-Committees and member’s preferred assignments.  
3. Paul M asked to be kept informed of Spackman Farm Sub-Committee Meetings.
4. Mike B suggested adding 6 month and 1 year goals to 30-60-90 Day plans. Mark E responded that the goals themselves will grow into 6 month and 1 year goals. He feared that if a one year goal is targeted, one year later you will have never started working on it. But if you keep it at manageable chunks, you get there. Mike B agreed with objectives vs goals and that 30-60-90 constantly keeps things moving forward.
5. Dawn C asked to go on record for the minutes in thanking Mark E for the progress that’s being made at Spackman Farm.  

Mark E asked for a motion to adjourn. Moved by Tony W, second by Dawn C. Mark E called the vote.
Motion passed 4-0.
 
Meeting adjourned at 8:04 PM.

Historical Commission Member Attendees: (4 – Quorum)

• Catherine Callahan, Chair
• Lorraine Tindaro, Vice-Chair
• Mark Evans, Secretary
• Paul Stephens

Historical Commission Member Non-attendees (1):

• Leah Jennings (Excused) Historical Commission Guests (3):
• Mike Bedrick
• Dawn Coughlan
• Tony Wagner

 
OPENING:The meeting was called to order by President Callahan at 7:30PM
 
OLD BUSINESS:
1.      MEMBERSHIP AND ATTENDENCEFormer member Dawn Coughlin was in attendance, and expressed interest in being reappointed. Prospective members Tony Wagner and Mike Bedrick were also in attendance. Mr. Wagner has already interviewed with BOC. Mr. Bedrick and Dr. Judy Freed are scheduled to interview with the BOC.
It was noted that Mr. Evans had typed up the 2020 Meeting Schedule and transmitted it to membership.
There was discussion of the 7:30 start time for meetings was later than necessary.
Mr. Evans made a motion to change our regularly scheduled meeting time to 7:00 PM. Seconded by Lorraine Tindaro.
The vote was called by President Callaghan. The motion Passed 4-0.
 
2.      CHC SECRETARY:At the 1/15/20 meeting there was a discussion on the need for notes and minutes. Mark Evans had volunteered to act as CHC Secretary.
Lorraine Tindaro made a motion to approve Mark Evans as Secretary. Seconded by Paul Stephens. The vote was called by President Callaghan. The motion passed 3-0 with Mr. Evans abstaining.

 
3.      EDGE’S MILLAt the 1/15/20 meeting a Motion passed for the CHC to write a letter to Mr. Wise directing him to bring a member of the CHC to any future meetings with the Township.
No action has been taken.
 
4.      GRIFFITH / SPACKMAN FARM 
At the 1/15/20 Meeting there was discussion of recommendations made by Paul Stephens, referred to as “The Denny Report”, and that we needed to get a copy of it.

1. Mark Evans reported that he obtained a copy from the Township Manager, but had not had time to review it. With Mr. Stephens in attendance at the 2/19/20 meeting, discussion followed.
2. Mr. Stephens stated that the Barn Roof was the first priority. Suggested replacing the roof with plywood and replacing the shingles with Fiberglass.
   1. It was stated that Ms. Denne had said there is $50K insurance that can be used to replace the barn roof. The secretary did not note who made this statement.
3. Air Movement within the House remains to be an issue, need to assess availability of electric before anything can be done
   1. Mr. Stephens stated that if there is electric running to the Farmhouse, a panel and switchbox needs to be installed
   2. Mr. Evans said he would reach out to Ray Stackhouse regarding the quality and safety of current electrical wiring

 
Mr. Stephens volunteered to coordinate with Township Maintenance Dept to explore cost efficient ways to get the roof repaired. Mr. Evans volunteered to arrange a meeting between Mr. Stephens, Ray Stackhouse, and Mike Fragil. Mr. Stephens said he could be available in the morning.
 
Mr. Evans made a motion to direct the Township to authorize funds to replace the barn roof. Seconded by Lorraine Tindaro. President Callaghan called the Vote. Motion passed 4-0
 
5.      LLOYD FARM

1. There was no discussion of Lloyd Farm at the 2/19/20 meeting

 
6.      SCHOOLHOUSE - A motion was passed 1/15/20 to ask Ray Stackhouse to inspect the roof, and advise us on its condition.

1. Mr. Stackhouse had not completed the inspection in time for the 2/19/20 meeting

 
7.      GUIDELINES FOR SIGNAGE - Tabled at the 1/19/20 meeting
 
Mr. Evans stated that he has spoken to an attorney who is an expert in signage laws who suggested that this be addressed in the upcoming Township Zoning Ordinance Update
 
8.      PRESERVATION - At the 1/15/20 meeting there was discussion of the importance of Historical Protections being written into Law.

1. Mr. Evans reported that he had scanned and distributed East Brandywine Hx Ordinance to CHC Membership for review
2. Mr. Evans stated that he had discussed potential Caln Township Historical Preservation Ordinance with Attorney Tony Verwey who suggested making this part of the Zoning Ordinance Update.
3. Mr. Evans reported that at the 1/15/20 BOC meeting the Township Manager had approved expenditure for membership with the Chester County Historical Preservation Commission by directing the CHC President to submit an invoice to the Township.
4. Mr. Stephens stated that Caln Township Elementary School should be given historical preservation protections
5. It was suggested that any Preservation Ordinance include rules against “Demolition by Neglect”. Mr. Evans did not note who made that suggestion
6. Mr. Stephens recommended a plan to keep an updated list of properties to be saved, and shared with the Planning Commission to get ahead of Developers.

 
 
NEW BUSINESS:
1.      Priorities - There was discussion of how to achieve goals without getting bogged down by a lack of stated priorities. Mr. Evans recommended that in order to keep moving forward, rather than adhere to a 1-year, 5-year, 10-year plan, we create a 30-day, 60-day, and 90-day plan. There was support for this suggestion by Lorraine Tindaro and other members.
 
Mark Evans made a motion for all members to send him a list of their 30-60-90-day lists for compilation and for presentation at next CHC Meeting. Seconded by Lorraine Tindaro. Vote called by President Callaghan. Motion passed 4-0

 
2.      Olde Caln Historical SocietyDawn Coughlin initiated a discussion of how to reopen communication with the Olde Caln Historical Society so that we can work together to achieve common goals. It was agreed that we could only benefit by their involvement, and noted that our evening meeting hours made it difficult for most of them to attend, especially in the winter months. President Callaghan noted that she was still bothered by a critical email she had received from them regarding staffing at the Schoolhouse, and was uncomfortable with a couple of their members, but would support cooperation with them. The first idea proposed was to get Louis of Olde Caln together with Mr. Stephens, but as the conversation advanced, Mr. Bedrick suggested a more robust joint meeting. Ms. Coughlan volunteered to reach out to them, and suggested that it might be a good idea to meet with them on Sunday March 15th as they already would be at the Municipal Building for an event.
Mr. Evans made a motion to authorize Ms. Coughlan to coordinate a joint meeting with the Olde Caln Historical Society. Seconded by Mr. Stephens. Vote called by President Callaghan. Vote passed 4-0.


​3. Website and Public Presence Guest (and now member) Tony Wagner addressed a number of improvements that could be made to the Website to help garner interest in the Commission, and to keep residents informed of what we’re working on.
 
Lorraine Tindaro made a motion to adjourn. Seconded by Mr. Evans President Callaghan called the vote. Passed unanimously 4-0
The Meeting was adjourned at 8:37PM

Historical Commission Member Attendees: (4 – Quorum)

• Catherine Callahan, Chair
• Lorraine Tindaro, Vice-Chair
• Leah Jennings
• Mark Evans

Historical Commission Member Non-attendees (1):

• Dawn Coughlan Historical Commission Guests (1):
• Mike Bedrick

 
OPENING: 
The was called to order by Cathy Callahan at 7:32PM
 
MEMBERSHIP AND ATTENDANCEThe meeting immediately went into a discussion of non-attendance at meetings and whether or not to reappoint Dawn Coughlin at the upcoming BOC meeting. Mike Bedrick suggested adding language to our charter along the lines of “if 4 consecutive meetings, or a total of 6 meetings are missed over the course of a year, that member will be removed from the Commission”. Mark inquired about the status of Member Coughlan as minutes from the July meeting suggested that there was ongoing discussion of removing her for non-attendance. It was decided that due to already dwindling membership we would revisit the attendance language once membership has increased. Cathy Callahan offered to reach out to Dawn Coughlin to gauge her interest in staying on.
There was also discussion that not everyone is aware of CHC Meeting Schedule for 2020. Mark Evans volunteered to type up the 2020 Meeting Schedule and transit to membership Lorraine Tindaro stressed the importance of adding to our membership
 
CHC SECRETARY:There was a discussion on the need for notes and minutes. Mark Evans volunteered to act as CHC Secretary.
 
OLD BUSINESS: 

1. Edge’s Mill (Was listed under NEW BUSINESS on Agenda): Cathy Callahan reported on progress toward getting her house added to the National Historic Registry 
2. Bob Wise needs more info for whole block to be designated Hx Overlay. Said he needs to speak with Kristen Denny
   1. Suggested that he take a BOC member with him
   2. Cathy and Leah concerned that overlay district will not pass due to trees being taken down
   3. There was much frustration over the process of designation

Mark Evans made a motion to “write a letter to Wise that we’re interested in Edge’s Mill Hx District, and if he’s meeting with anyone from the Township, the CHC would like him to please bring one of us along”.
Motion seconded by Lorraine Tindaro Vote called by Cathy.
Motion passed unanimously 4-0
 
2. Spackman Farm

1. Discussion of recommendations made by Paul Stephens, referred to as “The Denny Report”, and that we needed to get a copy of it.
   1. Mike Bedrick confirmed that Mr. Stephens had created a report that itemized preservation needs by priority
      • Air Movement within the House is most immediate issue, need to assess availability of electric before we can do anything
        1. Mark Evans said he would reach out to Ray Stackhouse regarding the quality and safety of current electrical wiring
2. There was discussion among the group regarding the previous BOC’s shortcomings in regard to Historic Preservation.

3. Lloyd Farm

1. There was a discussion of alternate uses for the property, other than development
   1. Mark Evans mentioned a winery with a tasting room and cheese shop
   2. Mark Evans talked about the intersection of Lloyd and Manor being the “front Porch” of the East end of Caln
      • Cathy said the intersection is “Prime for Beauty”
      • Mike Bedrick suggested that “beauty is never a burden” and that part of our mission to improve the face of the Township is by planting trees all around the Township, and especially at important intersections, with signs that say “Caln is a Tree City”

4. Schoolhouse

1. Cathy stated that all funding for preserving the Schoolhouse comes from the Township
2. Leah expressed concerns about the roof
   1. Mike Bedrick suggested that Ray Stackhouse could inspect it

Mark Evans proposed a motion to approach Ray Stackhouse, ask him to inspect the roof, and advise us on its condition.
Motion seconded by Lorraine Tindaro.
Vote called by Cathy. Motion passed unanimously 4-0

5. Guidelines for Signage
Mark Evans made a motion that this be tabled until February meeting. Second by Leah
Vote called by Cathy.
Vote passed unanimously 4-0
 
NEW BUSINESS:
 
PRESERVATION

1. Mark Evans brought up the importance of Historical Protections being written into Law
2. Cathy presented the East Brandywine Hx Ordinance
   1. Mark Evans to scan and distribute to Membership
   2. Discussed possible clause requiring any developers who want to develop near HX properties to first meet with the CHC
   3. Mike Bedrick suggested bringing in owners of Hx properties within the Township to share their views with the commission
3. President Callahan stated that the CHC should consider membership with the Chester County Historical Preservation Commission
   1. Mark Evans asked the cost of Membership, President Callahan stated it was $85 annually
      • Mark Evans suggested he would bring up approval of expenditure under ADDITIONAL BUSINESS at BOC Meeting 1/15/20

EDGE’S MILL DISTRICT

• This was discussed as part of OLD BUSINESS at top of meeting

 
Leah made a motion to adjourn Motion seconded by Lorraine Tindaro
Cathy called the vote. Passed unanimously 4-0 The Meeting was adjourned at 8:45PM