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Historical Commission Meeting Minutes - June 29, 2022

7/21/2022

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Historical Commission Member Attendees: (7 – Quorum)
  • Paul Stephens – Chair
  • Lorraine Tindaro – Vice Chair
  • Mark Evans – Secretary
  • Dawn Coughlan
  • Leah Jennings
  • Patti DeFroscia
  • Tom Parr
Historical Commission Members Absent (1):
  • Cathy Callaghan - Excused
Historical Commission Guests (1):
  • Mike Bedrick
OPENING:
The meeting was called to order by Chair Stephens at 7:06 PM, followed by the Pledge of Allegiance. Secretary Evans announced that the meeting was being recorded.
Secretary Evans continued with Member Roll Call and introduction of guests.
Chair Stephens asked if there were any comments/corrections on the minutes of the May 18, 2022 meeting. Secretary Evans responded that the minutes were not completed in time and will be ready before the July meeting. Tabled until July.
 
OLD BUSINESS:
  1. SUB-COMMITTEE REPORTS
    1. SPACKMAN FARM
      1. Mark reported that he sent an email to Abbey and P&R regarding a potential joint Holiday event and that Commissioner Kennedy announced at the last BOC meeting that they were very interested. He added that the chain at the main entrance was down, and looked like someone might have driven through it, but that a log was blocking the driveway so trespassers could not get up there.
    2. MARKETING AND SOCIAL MEDIA
      1. Mike and Lorraine said they were still waiting to receive the images from Abbey and would call her again
      2. Mark E shared that he had already followed up with Abbey and received the images. The Spackman Farm article was transmitted electronically to these publications on 6/29/22:
        1. Town Lively – News Department
        2. Daily Local – Fran Maye
        3. The Patch – Holly Herman
        4. Vista Today - Mark Hostutler
        5. Chesco Times – Mike McGann
      3. Mark E added that he had contacted CCHPN about running an ad in their fall issue and they were still working on the spring issue. It is now out, so they should let us know the ad-deadline for the fall issue soon. Dawn asked about sending the, the article. he said he would send them the draft Spackman as well.
    3. HISTORICAL PRESERVATION
      1. Mark E shared that the BOC has been hosting open workshops on the HPO at 6:30pm prior to the start of each BOC Meeting, the next one will be 7/14. He has been working with the Township solicitor to absorb suggested tweaks from those workshops. He added that Chapter 19 of the township code currently charges and defines the Hx Com’s powers and responsibilities. The language will be updated and codified in the new ordinance. Mike B suggested that in the updated language we lower the minimum numbers to 7. 
      2. He asked for help with clarifying the current proposed resource list. He credited Patty with letting us know we had lost Hatfield Tea Room, or it would have still been on the list.
    4. LLOYD FARM
      1. Tom Parr shared that had reached out to the PA Historic Museum Commission and has had a good back-and-forth dialogue with April Frantz. After we learned through PA-SHARE that it was listed under Valley Brook Farm they were able to locate the records. The 1982 assessment found it was eligible for the National Registry. In 2014, after a developer inquired about historical resources in the area, the farm was reassessed, and this time it was deemed not eligible due to loss of integrity. We found on PA-SHARE that it was listed as “needs to be reevaluated”. He reached out to the state to request all documentation as to why it was no longer eligible, and details on loss of integrity. They sent 20 pages of records just received today. Tom asked that Mark E share those docs with the members of the Hx Com. Tom said April was more than accommodating and that if we wanted, and had new information to share, she said they could re-evaluate the farm again. She also connected him with Megan McNish who is willing to help us ID our important resources.   
      2. Mark E said that Tom had reached out to Chesco Historian Catherine Quillman, after which Mark ran into her at the CCHPO dinner. Mark said he had a nice chat with her about Lloyd Farm. She will be attending our July meeting to share her expertise. Tom said she could help our understanding of Underground Railroad ties. Paul S said the loss of integrity could have something to do with the loss of the barn. Patty D said they had run into a similar issue with Gardner Beale House and the house at Kings Grant. They said the interior had been changed too much. Paul S stated that is also what we can expect to run into with Lloyd Manor, that much of the woodwork had been removed by the developer, so we should focus on the landscape preservation, and the house may still have some local significance. Tom said April F had said the same thing. Paul believes we need to explore all possibilities.    
      3. Tom Parr also reported that we had heard back from Natural Lands, and they are open to another meeting to discuss saving the farm
      4. Paul S said he has not been in contact with Dianne Cram to do a study on Lloyd Farm/Lloyd Manor, but will add to his tickle list
      5. Mike and Lorraine said that they still have not heard back from NAACP re Lloyd Farm. They will try again.
  2. EDGES’ MILL HISTORIC DISTRICT UPDATE
    1. Cathy C was not present. Leah J reported that Cathy has had multiple back-and-forth conversations by phone with April Frantz. Dawn C said she had sent all of the Micki McAllister documents to Cathy. Paul S said it’s important that we keep pushing forward on it.
  3. JUNE 4th HISTORICAL TOUR REPORT
    1. Mike and Lorraine reported that it was a nice day and they had about 9 visitors. Shared what they did to kept it somewhat cool on a hot day.
  4. OCHS LIASON REPORT
    1. Dawn reported that OCHS is just getting back into action post-COVID. Patty D is their new Hx Histories and Marker Chair. They will push for a vote to complete the markers in EM. They have permission from the owners, and are ready to place the markers, but they are waiting until ongoing construction at the Bank House (corner house) is more settled. She added there is a newsletter and brought along brochures. If anyone did not get the newsletter, that means they’re not members, and added that the membership dues may be going up soon. They are working toward re-establishing the long-standing bond enjoyed between OCHS and CTHC. Paul S challenged the members of the CTHC to achieve 100% membership in OCHS. Dawn added what an honor it is to be working with new Vice President Abbey Swan. She is constantly working to make the connection stronger.
  5. PA SHARE UPDATE
    1. Paul prefaced by saying we need to set up a training session.
    2. Mark E said he had begun exploring it and it is a powerful tool to accomplish many of our stated goals. Once the Historic Preservation Sub Committee completes their work on the Edges Mill histories, we can get this going through PA Share. But the Edges Mill group needs to review, edit, and approve what Micki McAllister put together for them before any action can be taken
    3. Mark E shared that on his test drive of PA Share he found a couple of our resources in question listed as “eligible” and/or “Needs Re-Evaluation. Mark said he will schedule a zoom with Paul to share credentials and get the process started. Paul shared for any visitors that what PA-SHARE is 
  6. FINANCE UPDATE
    1. Mark E reported there were no expenditures
    2. Dawn said that at the CCHPN dinner many Hx Coms reported they had Treasurers, and that we should consider having a treasurer. There were no volunteers. Paul S said that while we have such a small budget, we may be alright for now, but when we begin to apply for grants, we will need one.
  7. ORGANIZATIONS TO CONSIDER JOINING
    1. Tabled from 12/15/21 Meeting
    2. Mark said he’ll have a list of organizations ready for the September Meeting. Lorraine asked if we are members of the organization that hosted the dinner. Dawn said yes, we are members of CCHPN and she should be getting the newsletter. She loves what the CCHPN President (Jim Buczala) says and how he writes. He’s been pushing “Adaptive Reuse” that is exactly where our focus needs to be.
 
NEW BUSINESS:
  1. Paul there has been discussion of the need to develop a definable set of classifications to make for an enforceable ordinance. If we’re going to call something historical, we need to be able to defend why. Paul said that we need more information on the resources, why something is important to the township. Mike B asked if there is an evaluation sheet. Paul said it needs to be incorporated into the ordinance. He said Mark needs help from the CTHC with this research. Mark said Kristin Camp has been very helpful and has been clear that she needs to know what standards delineate Class 1 and Class 2, and what defines the resources importance so she can craft the language accordingly. She referred to the 2013 County resource list and asked if he knew who had been involved in the process. He said asked Patty D who told him the 2013 study included the County, OCHS, CTHC, Karen Marshall. KC dug deeper and came up with the classification system prepared by that team. Mark E shared a potential historic classification system based on the county 2013 study, and noted that according to that document, local historical commissions can designate a resource as Class I even if it is not eligible for the National Registry. Paul said we need a definable, defendable reason for classification. We should adopt the national criteria as our criteria for a Caln Register so we can identify local resources and provide a measure of protection. This will go before the public in hearings, at this point we want to hammer out our criteria, and that it would be appropriate to establish a new sub-committee to explore these issues. Mike B asked if there was a state list of sites that may be different from the national reg. Paul said he believed the sate uses the National registry. Getting to the National Registry has become a cottage industry and how can we get there without using large amounts of funds. Perhaps we can come up with a way of protecting resources that important to Caln, and that’s where we’re trying to go with the ordinance.   Paul asked for a motion to establish a new Ordinance Sub-Committee led by Mark E and empower him to select who he would like to work with him.  Moved by Mark E, Second by Dawn C, Vote called by Paul S, Motion passed 7-0.  Tom Parr, Paul S, and volunteered their assistance. Mark asked that Patty D also work on the sub-com because she has the knowledge.                                                                     Mark then shared other various draft documents including the revised Chapter 19 language to be codified into zoning. Mark E pointed out that in Chapter 19 it states that the CTHC has the authority to enter into grants and suggested that we intentionally seek out a new member with Grants experience. Dawn suggested maybe we could out it in the township newsletter or on social media, there are people out there that love to write grants. Mark said that maybe we could use a little bit of our budget for a grant writer.
  2. Tom Parr reported on CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVRNMENT. He shared the top line and the benefits including grants, adaptive reuse ideas, and services for preservation. There are 48 CLGs in PA, and Caln is surrounded by them. There is a cost. Discussion ensued and we all agreed it would be beneficial for Caln. Paul added that it would tie us into the Keystone Grants Network, and it could pay for itself. Suggested we do as much of the legwork as we can before going to the township. Mark said one of the requirements is examples that the township is interested and working towards preservation wo we need the Township’s buy-in. Dawn asked if there was a 1-time charge or an annual fee. Paul S drafted Tom P to choose who he wants to help him. Tom said he’s been asking for some neighbors to get involved and join. 
  3. PARTNERING WITH OTHER HX COMS
    1. Tabled from 5/18/22
    2. Mark reported that it should not have been on the agenda. He could report on how wonderful the CCHPN dinner was, and that we had 4 members present. We were able to share our story in that public space. Dawn said we got some people’s attention that night.
ADDITIONAL BUSINESS:
  1. Dawn shared how disturbed she was to see about the Amville Bridge was destroyed by PennDOT even though it was on the National Registry. There was video of it posted. It could happen here. She added that the Lloyd Bridge is wonderful and still has some of its capstones. Paul said it’s easy to run an engineering report on a bridge and determine it is not up to modern standards.
  2. Dawn said the amount of truck traffic that is now using the EMR bridge has dramatically increased since Auger opened. And they are using the driveways of private homes to turn around. There was an agreement with the former business that disallowed trucks from using the bridge and forced them to use 322. Mark E reminded everyone that a CU Hearing was coming up on 4060 EMR and we all should be in attendance.
  3. Dawn shared that she heard the Gardner Beale House program at CASH was in danger of being discontinued and noted how much work Paul S had out into that program. Dawn said she can reach out to Joe C, and that we need to be involved, as is the OCHS. Paul S asked that it be put on the agenda under new business for the July meeting. Mark E said that the CASD approved a large raise for administration and has not approved a contract for teachers, so programs are probably being cut. Mike B blamed state funding. Mark concurred and added that Charter Schools as just as big of a problem.
  4. Mark said that maybe we could all start thinking about seeing Lloyd and Spackman as Historic Districts. Maybe we could get Spackman into the County’s hands and use those funds to obtain Lloyd. 
  5. Dawn reminded everyone that the coming Sunday would be the first Sunday of the month and we need volunteers to lead the Schoolhouse tour. Paul was a possibility. Dawn said if he could do it she would do it with him, she doesn’t like doing it alone. 
 
ADJOURNMENT
Chair Stephens asked for a motion to adjourn
Moved by Mark E
Second by Dawn C
Vote called by Paul S
Motion passed 8-0
 
Meeting was adjourned at 8:18 PM
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Historical Commission Meeting Minutes - May 18, 2022

7/21/2022

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Historical Commission Member Attendees: (8 – Quorum)
  • Paul Stephens – Chair
  • Lorraine Tindaro – Vice Chair
  • Mark Evans – Secretary
  • Dawn Coughlan
  • Cathy Callaghan
  • Leah Jennings
  • Patti DeFroscia
  • Tom Parr
Historical Commission Members Absent (0):
Historical Commission Guests (1):
  • Mike Bedrick
OPENING:
The meeting was called to order by Chair Stephens at 7:07 PM, followed by the Pledge of Allegiance. Sec. Evans announced that the meeting was being recorded.
Secretary Evans continued with Member Roll Call and introduction of guests.
Chair Stephens asked if there were any comments/corrections on the minutes of the April 20, 2022 meeting. There were none.
Chair Stephens asked for a motion to approve the minutes of the February Meeting
Moved by Mark E
Second by Tom P
Vote called by Paul S
Motion passed 8-0
 
 
OLD BUSINESS:
  1. SUB-COMMITTEE REPORTS
    1. SPACKMAN FARM - Mark E reported that the 2022 Township Paving Program has been approved and includes the driveway and parking area at Spackman Farm. Grass Pavers will be used to ease maintenance, and the project is expected to be complete by the end of summer. He suggested we consider partnering with Parks and Rec for a candlelight and hot cocoa holiday event at Spackman. Perhaps get the house lit from outside. Paul S confirmed all would be on the exterior. Mike B suggested that we do it as soon as the driveway is open. Paul S and Tom P said we should wait and try to connect with P&R. Paul thought we should meet with P&R ahead of time to look at potential issues, rope off the porch, etc. Mark added we should get some security cameras going ASAP. Tom P asked who would provide cameras. Paul S said it’s the township. Once we meet with P&R we can meet with township to be sure we can address safety issues. Mark will contact P&R and report back at next meeting.
    2. MARKETING AND SOCIAL MEDIA – Mike and Lorraine
      1. Mike and Lorraine reported that they had no updates and were waiting on the Spackman Barn roof photos.
      2. Mark said he reached out to confirm the township has acquired the drone before/after images but Abbey but is out of the office through 5/20. He asked for approval to send the article (updated to include news of the grass paver project) and photos out as soon as we have the images. The distribution list includes TOWN LIVELY, CCHPN NEWSLETTER, DAILY LOCAL, THE PATCH. He asked what publications he missed. Tom Parr suggested VISTA online and said it’s definitely worth pursuing. Mike B added Coatesville Times and said he would reach out to them. Chair Stephens asked for a motion to approve the distribution of the Spackman Farm article (updated to include news of the grass paver project) and photos to the select publications out as soon as we have the images. Moved by Lorraine T, Second by Tom P, Vote called by Paul S, Motion passed 8-0
      3. Mark added that the CCHPN Newsletter accepts paid adverts for its Spring and Fall issues. We missed the spring and are up against the deadline for the Fall issue. The cost for a ¼ page B/W ad is $100. He believes this would be a wise use of part of our annual budget. Mark asked who among us has the skills to create the ad? Dawn C strongly suggested Abbey Swan and will reach out to her as soon as Abbey returns from vacation. Mark added that if the first ad does well, we might consider making this an annual campaign, there’s a Fall & Spring 2-ad discount rate of $185. Lorraine said it was a good idea and not much money. Dawn suggested we use a photo of the barn, and the schoolhouse. Paul S thought it’s better to have a purpose and not just “Hey, we’re here”.Chair Stephens asked for motion to approve using $100 of our 2022 budget to run an ad in the Fall issue of the CCHPN Newsletter if we can make the deadline. Moved by Mark E, Second by Lorraine T, Vote called by Paul S, Motion passed 8-0​
    3. HISTORICAL PRESERVATION
      1. HISTORIC PRESERVATION ORDINANCE
        1. Mark reported that the initial review of our proposed ordinance will be on Thursday May 26th. He added that this was the last chance for this commission to comment on the proposed ordinance and resource document before the review. Paul S said that his reviewed the doc and aside from pending comments in red, it looked like what we had wanted to achieve. Dawn asked if the meeting was public, Mark said he thought it was not. Mark asked for any comments, there were none. Paul S confirmed that there would be no vote on the 26th, only discussion. Mark confirmed it was the beginning of the process. Paul asked if we needed to fill in the blanks where there was red text. Mark said he thought the read was info not settled on yet in the new zoning, and what had to be provided by the township/solicitor.
          1. Mark shared his screen so all could see 155-608-5C. He highlighted the proposed language on pre-application meetings. Mike B asked if it would be with Hx Com? Paul said it would be with us and shouldn’t cause delays.
          2. 155-608-8-C is not settled on yet (zoning), landscaping and buffering was taken out by Township - Mike B asked if this was included in general zoning. 
          3. Cathy C asked when the public will get to review and comment on the Zoning Update. If it’s a zoning meeting or BOC. Mark said BOC and that we’re not trying to stop people from doing things to their homes, we’re trying to stop developers from destroying Hx resources. Paul S said it still comes down to the zoning officer, Mark said he thought it was going to end up landing on the BOC.
          4. Paul S reiterated that we didn’t create this out of whole cloth, that we pulled ideas from existing ordinances and it’s a pretty good compromise between protecting the community and protecting property rights
          5. Paul asked about the properties on the resource list, if we could look at them. Mark said that if someone would put them into google maps it would be of great help. He said we got a list of over 1,000 from the county and banged it up against our list, removed their Class 3, 4 and 5. Mike asked what our Class 3 were. Paul S said we weren’t going to have a class 3. Dawn asked Patty if she’d reviewed it since she was involved in the original process. She hadn’t but will. Paul thought we had a good working list, and the things that we should stick with what we already list as Class 1 and 2. What’s on the county list might not be needed. We have to do a good job of educating people of what all this means for them. We need to be clear that we’re not trying to push these on the list without input from the property owners.
          6. Paul asked if some of them were archeological sites and not buildings? Patty said the Hatfield Teahouse has been demolished. It went through the BOC and no one ever let the Hx Com know it was a historic resource. Might not have stopped the demo but could have inventoried it for pictures and history. Tom Parr said the county list had the Lloyd Bridge Pump Station. Pal S said he always notices the shed on North Caln and wonders if it’s one of the resources on the county list.
          7. Mike B asked if there were provisions for adding anything to list in the future. Paul and Mark confirmed there is language to that effect.
          8. Cathy C asked if we’re getting rid of the historic overlay. Mark and Paul said the overlay provided no real protections, but real protections will be being extended to the entire township. She said that if we had that earlier we could have saved Lloyd Farm.
  2. EDGES’ MILL HISTORIC DISTRICT UPDATE
    1. Cathy reported she’d spoke with Elizabeth R and April Frantz and they’re using the original paperwork sent in on her home and create for the other homes to try to help us get this done. Dawn said it’s great they’re keeping up the conversation and added that Micky M had done a tremendous amount of work on the area, did all the research and typed it all up so the documentation is there. Mark E added that we spent $350 for PA Share to expedite this, that we need someone to take the reins and get it all organized.   
  3. MAY 15TH HISTORICAL TOURS
    1. Leah and Cathy reported it was a wonderful day. The place looked beautiful. Leah said there were around 12 at the Schoolhouse. Dawn said there were 21 at the Meetinghouse. Dawn added that Dot Johnson donated a small rolltop child’s desk for the schoolhouse. Next tour date is June 5th. Dawn added we should start throwing dates around for the Spackman Farm P&R effort before everyone’s calendars get too jammed. Paul S said as soon as we have confirmation from P&R we can start that. Paul thought a Saturday night might work best; we should get a list of what’s already booked. Paul asked for volunteers for June 5th. Leah suggested we turn the dehumidifier off when in building during summer months, as long as we turn it back on. It gets unbearably hot. A small fan also helps. 
    2. Lorraine and Mike volunteered to do June 5th tours
  4. PA SHARE
    1. Mark had nothing to report.
  5. LLOYD FARM PRESENTATION
    1. Mark said “all hope is lost” is not true. That the PennDOT plans could help us. Paul asked if we’d heard back about the mantle, etc. Dawn has not and will follow up. He shared a PPT he created for Lloyd Farm. He emphasized that one of the special features is that it’s not in the middle of nowhere, it is right in the public eye. Tom P asked if I the PPT could be shares with us, and if he could come to any meetings.
    2. Mark E proposed that we form a new sub-committee, The Lloyd Farm Sub-Committee and that Tom Parr head that up.  Chair Stephens asked for a motion to form a new Sub-Committee, The Lloyd Farm Sub-Committee and that Tom Parr head that up, Moved by Mark E, Second by Cathy C, Vote called by Paul S, Motion passed 8-0
    3. Mark asked if Dianne Cram could do a condition assessment on Lloyd Farm/Lloyd Manor. Paul said he will reach out to her and that it can be more than a windshield look if the property owner agrees.
    4. Cathy C thought it would be good for us to obtain as many records as we can. Tom Parr said that in 1984 there was a chance to put it on the National Register but the archdiocese didn’t want to do it. Mark displayed the preliminary state DOE form. Tom will dig deep and follow up. He said every year for the last 40 years there have been crops growing, and he wants to protect it. Paul S will tell Dianne we’re looking for permission to get in.  
    5. Mike B shared a work of warning:  the PennDOT plans might not inhibit the developer plans, only make them change their placement.
 
NEW BUSINESS:
  1. ORGANIZATIONS TO CONSIDER JOINING
    1. Tabled from 12/15/21 Meeting
    2. Paul S said we have reupped our CCHPN membership. Mark asked that everyone send him their full contact info to him even if they think he has it.
  2. FINANCE UPDATE – Mark reported we were granted a $1200 Budget for this year, and had expended the following amounts:
    1. $350 for PA SHARE 1 year license
    2. $100 for CCHPN Annual Membership
    3. $10.59 for a new Guestbook for the Old Schoolhouse
    4. The CCHPN Annual Membership of $100 was paid 5/18/22, leaving us with a remaining balance of $739.41
    5. Mark reported that he CCHPN Volunteer Dinner will be held at 5:30 on Wednesday June 22nd at Thornbury Farm, 1256 Thornbury Road, West Chester. He asked if we should we consider using some of our 2022 budget to send a representative or two @ $15/ticket? Paul S suggested that $15 wasn’t much OOP individually, so we should reserve our budget funds. Mark asked if everyone was amenable to rescheduling our June meeting to Wednesday June 29th? All agreed to reschedule. Mark will contact Kristen and Abbey to reschedule.
  3. 4801 HORSESHOE PIKE
    1. Resident had expressed interest on FB but did not show up at the meeting. Tabled
  4. PARTNERING WITH OTHER HX COMS
    1. Interest expressed on FB, but no one show up at the meeting. Tabled
ADDITIONAL BUSINESS:
  1. Tom Parr inquired on where we are on CLG? Paul S instructed Mark to put it on the agenda for the June meeting.
  2. Mark reported that the Buchanan House is in great danger. The current owner, who formerly used this historically significant resource as the Craft House restaurant is now operating a Crypto-mining enterprise out of its basement. So much heat is generated by the computers that large fans are being run off generators and could be a fire hazard. Leah asked for more explanation of what crypto mining is. Paul S described the amount of energy required and the amount of heat created by the process, which makes it dangerous.  
  3. Mark shared that Parkesburg will be celebrating their Sesquicentennial on May 20, 21, and 22, and details were available at Parkesburg.org
  4. Mark shared a Q 1 - Q 2 PPT update on our goals
    1. Draft and Present HPO - COMPLETE 
    2. Identify Historical Resources – COMPLETE
    3. Register for PA-SHARE – COMPLETE
    4. Edges Mill Historic District – NOT COMPLETED
    5. CLG – IN PROCESS
  5. Mark shared a DRAFT of Q 3 goals
    1. Township Passage of HPO
    2. Increased Membership
    3. Get our Hx Com in Local News
    4. Completion of Edges Mill documentation for PA-SHARE Submission
    5. Lloyd Farm Campaign
ADJOURNMENT
Chair Stephens asked for a motion to adjourn
Moved by Cathy C
Second by Dawn C
Vote called by Paul S
Motion passed 8-0
 
Meeting was adjourned at 8:40 PM
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